Some high mountainpasses which I can't seem to locate...

[Torque]

So, I've bought the Motoplus (bikers mag) and they've listed the 100 highest reachable points in the Alps.

Since I allready have a (small) database of al the passes I've done, I started cobining both lists. The fact is than, about 70% of the highest passes in the Alps are off-road, some doable like the Assietta, some hardly doable on a GS (Via del Sale), so you can imaging that most of these highlights are hard to find on any map.

I've located the most of them, exept the following ones, anyone a idea????

Colletto Battagliola, Italy, near Punta Cavallo, 2248 m,
Col de Toi, Dolomites, near Passo di Sella, 2246 m,
Grosser Oscheniksee, Austria, K?rnten, 2390 m,
Colle del Baracun, Italy, Piemonte, near Bobbio P?llice, 2373 m,

Since I havent completed the list, there may be more to come

Grtz, Philip!

[ludwig]

a few sec on google ..I found them all .

[Torque]

Ok, seems I forgot to use Google

Anyway, can you locate La Colleta, somewhere in the Mairavalley

@ Ludwig: Serieus, die laatste Motoplus moet ge echt hebben

Grtz, Philip!

[ludwig]

I got the mag .
( bedankt voor de tip , Philip ! )
It is a bit sobering to find out that after 30+ years of alpine riding I only did about 30 % of the list !
But then , many seem to be one way dirt roads .
From the gravel roads I only did Someiller . ( Umbrail doesn't count )
Anyway , I'll scrutinize the list a bit closer to see what is do-able with a road bike and try to get as close to 50% as I can .
La Colletta :
http://www.peveradasnc.it/mtb/percorsi/ ... faraut.htm

[Michael J]

Here's a couple that I located quite by accident that don't seem to be on any of the major Pass lists. I stumbled across these two last year while in transit to Barcelonnette - totally surprised - I was looking for a shortcut between the Col de Sampeyre and Vinadio (without having to slog into Cuneo and back) and didn't expect to hit two relatively high passes en route.



and



Both paved, but more GS type pavement than sportbike (narrow, tight and twisty). The fun part is that they're only about 1,4 Km apart via road.

[ludwig]

Colle Esischie isn't even on the list !!
It should be between :
49. Col de Valbelle (Fr) ,2372 m
and :
50. Plateau d'Emperis (Fr) 2362 m
How many more are there ???
( this is becoming very depressing ...)
edit :
correction , it IS mentioned , but together with Colle del Morti and Colle Valcavera

[Michael J]

So, I've bought the Motoplus (bikers mag) and they've listed the 100 highest reachable points in the Alps.

Philip - is there any chance that you could scan the list in and post it here - either as a JPEG or as text? I'd like to compare it with John Hermann's list as well as my personal list.

Thanks

Michael

[pingvin]

Anyway, can you locate La Colleta, somewhere in the Mairavalley

Torque, I'm a bit dissapointed A hard core alp tourer like you certainly should have "GROSSER ALPEN STRASSEN F?HRER" in your collection.

North of Acc?gglio, east of Col de Maurin which in turn is east of Col de Vars. Or south of Col d'Agnel if you want.

Even a picture. Hope you like rocks, I wouldn't call it a road ("nichts mehr istand gehaltene" )

EDIT: Oops! Sorry didn't see Ludwig already answered this one.

[Torque]

@Pingvin, I own the Denzel, but my German is so rusty as a WWII Dnjepr's exhaust

Which sadly means that I know that these passes exist, but because the book has so much info, and I can't read most of it, this list was great to see.

Besides, I've allready located La Coletta, though it's called Col de l'Autaret in French. Which makes it hard to finf on a Michelin map

Col de Maurin is also known under a different name, Col de Mary.

@Michael, I'll try to do a copy/paste here, don't know if it's gonna work. Don't have a scanner here

Bontadini (Bergstation) OFF-ROAD
Sommeiller (Pointe/Col) OFF_ROAD
La Colleta OFF-ROAD
?tztaler gletsjerweg
Rifugio Abruzzi
Bonette (Col de la)
Jafferau (Mont)
Iseran (Col de l')
Weisser Boden
Stelvio (Passo dello)
Kaunertaler Gletscherstrasse
Agnel (Col)
Met (Col de la) OFF-ROAD
Punta Bagna, Col de Fr?jus, Col d'Arrondaz OFF-ROAD
Passo di Gavia
Parpaillon (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Galibier (Col du)
Monte Belved?re, Chaz-Dura OFF-ROAD
Solli?res (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Maurin (Col de) Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Nivolet (Col de)
Testa Crevacol Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Grossglocknerstrasse
Mallemort (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Markinkelle OFF-ROAD
Ancoccia (Colle d'), Mulo (Colle del) OFF-ROAD
Tura (Fort de la) OFF-ROAD
Timmelsjoch/Rombo (Passo del)
Umbrailpass
Valle Argentiera
Strada Cresta dell' Assietta OFF-ROAD
Rochilles (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Morti (Colle del), Valcavera (Colle), Esischie (Colle d')
Nufenenpass
Grd St. Bernard (Col du)
Mouti?re (Col de la) OFF-ROAD
Sassi?re (Lac de la)
Conca Cialancia
Maira-Stura-Kamstrasse OFF-ROAD
Buff?re (Col de), Granon (Col de)
Furkapass
Pustaler Grenzkamm-H?henstrasse OFF-ROAD
Mulatiera (Passo della) OFF-ROAD
Envalira (Port d')
Fort Redoute Ruin?e OFF-ROAD
Notre-Dame-de-Clausis
Cabane d'Alp Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Grosser Oscheniksee
Fl?elapas
Grimsellpass, Tr?begg
Baracun (Colle del)
Valbelle (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Emparis (Plateau d'), Ru?ne Chalet Josserand OFF-ROAD
Izoard (Col d')
Gias Traversiera OFF-ROAD
Savoleyres/ Croix de Coeur OFF-ROAD
Gondran (Col du) OFF-ROAD
Lombarde (Col de la)
Mont Jovet (Refuge du) OFF-ROAD
Moiry-Gletschersee
Bernina (Passo del)
Cayolle (Col de la)
Vall?e de Belleville, Val Thorens
Rivi?redal, Chalets de Clapeyto
Tre Cime di Lavaredo
Couniets (Bergerie des) OFF-ROAD
Forcola di Livigno (Passo dei)
San Giacomo (Passo di)
Albulapass
Varaita-Maira-Kammstrasse OFF-ROAD
Bellecombe
Foscagno (Passo di)
Samp?yre (Colle di)
Julierpass
Vizze (Passo di), Pfitscher Joch Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Alp Anarosa
Sustenpass
Bucher (Sommet)
Sanetsch (Col du)
Bercia (Colle) OFF-ROAD
Battagliola (Colletto) OFF-ROAD
Allos (Col d')
Toi (Col de)
Passo di Sella
Passo Pordoi
La Chaux, Les Ruinettes Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Malga Pozze Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Passo di Giau
Lauzet (Col du)
Pennes (Passo di)/Penser Joch
Obere Feselalp
Eira (Passo d')
Ciarbonet (Colle) OFF-ROAD
Via del Sale (LGKR) OFF-ROAD
Mattmarksee
Croce Domini (Passo di), Dosso dei Galli Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Passo di Valporala
Essertse
St. Bernard (col du Petit)
Val de Nendaz, Lac de Cleuson
P'tit Mont Cenis (Col du) OFF-ROAD
La Riposa Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Val Venyl Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Finestre (Colle delle ) Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Grimsellpass
Passo di Gardena
Tourmalet (Col du)
Spl?genpass
Vars (Col de)
St. Gothardpass (nieuwe)
St. Gothardpass (oude)
Ar?ches (Cormet d')
Passo di Falzarego
Jaufenpass
Champs (Col des)
Mont Cenis (Col du)
Bonaigua (Port de la)
Croix de Fer (Col de la)
San Bernardino (Passo del)
Lautaret (Col du)
Passo di Fedaia
Oberalppass
Sestriere (Colle di )
Passo delle Erbe
Pailhaires (Col de)
Madeleine (Col de la)
Sarenne (Col de)
Ordino (Coll d')
Roselend (Cormet de)
Colle San Carlo
Larche (Col de) Maddalena (Colle dela)
Klausenpass
Glandon (Col du)
Puymorens (Col de)
Mt. Ventoux
Passo del Tonale
Passo di Campolongo
Tende (Col de) OFF-ROAD
Montgen?vre (Col de)
Passo di Foppa (Mortirolo)
Calvaire (Col de)
Passo dell Maloja
Passo Tre Croci
Echelle (Col de l')
Sella di Razzo
Passo di Costalunga (Karerpass)
Monte Zoncolan
Croix (Col de la)
Cant? (Collado del)
Joux Plane (Col de)
Aubisque (Col d')
Pr? (Col du)
Couillole (Col de la)
Saisies (Col des)
Passo Monte Croci
Gerlospass
Colombiere (Col de la)
Turini (Col de)
M?raillet (Col de)
Peyresourde (Col de)
T?l?graphe (Col du)
Chasseral (Col de)
Pillon (Col du)
Forcella di Lavardet Gedeeltelijk OFF-ROAD
Forclaz (Col de la)
Grand Colombier
Passo delle Pallade (Gampenjoch)
Reschenpass
Molard Noir
Aspin (Col d')
Aravis (Col des)
Soulor (Col du)
Croix-Fry (Col de)
Mosses (Col de)
Encrenaz (Col de l')
Chioula (Col de)
Men?e (Col de)
Brennerpass
Ornon (Col d')
Morgins (Pas de)
Passo di Mendola
Faucille (Col de la)
Portillon (Col du)
Vue des Alpes (Col du)
Weisenstein
Shlucht (Col de la)
Corobin (Col de)
Fernpass
Platzerwassel (Col du)
Herrenberg Col du)
Cabre (Col de)
Hannenbrunnen (Col d')
Croix-Haute (Col de la)
Ballon d'Alsace
Forclaz (Col de la)
Toutes Aures (Col de)
Bussang (Col de)
Epine (Col de l')
Fr?ne (Col du)
Bonhomme (Col du)
Tami? (Col de)
Sapenay (Col du)
Albispas
Chat (Col du)

P.S: Seeing that my list is in Flemisch, "Gedeeltelijk" means: a part of it.
About 20 of them are in the Pyrenees, some in the Elzas and a few in the Jura. The ones on green I've done, the other ones I may have done by car (like the Pyrenees) or am planning to do.
The list is off course nowhere of beeing complete, but it's what I've done, and am planning of doing in the following years. Possibly that this list will neven be complete

Grtz, Philip!

[Michael J]

Wow! Impressive (and a whole bunch of names that are totally new to me. I may have to move over there for an entire summer. Or two.

Anyone want to lend me a dirt bike? 250-400cc?

@Morti (Colle del), Valcavera (Colle), Esischie (Colle d')

Colle Valcavera is interesting - I saw it last night when I installed my new Garmin software on my PC.

It doesn't seem to be marked - It's on the road from Demonte to Colle delle Morti/Fauniera - so I know that I've been there - but I definitely don't recall seeing any signs for it on the way.

[BourneToRide]

What we could do with now is a POI file to import into Sat-Nav and Google Earth - anybody?

[Michael J]

I can provide the passes that I've hit in Garmin .GDB and Google Earth .KMZ formats.

[BourneToRide]

Yes please Michael, GDB will be fine. Looking through the list many are either off-road or dead-ends, and some I know of are missing.
Perhaps we should record our own list of 1000m+ surfaced through roads in GDB, POI, KMZ formats.

[Michael J]

Here are 141 passes (actually 139 passes and 2 high points) that I have "captured" at the Passh?he.

I would have tossed in a few hotels, but wouldn't want to tread on Karza's toes (especially if he's wearing those ratty loafers).

[Karza]

Dear Sir M, my racing-loafers arent so ratty...